From ceiseman from gmail.com Mon Dec 1 18:11:53 2008 From: ceiseman from gmail.com (Charley Eiseman) Date: Mon Dec 1 19:17:48 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Annelid taxonomy Message-ID: <1e93a920812011511v7acfd155m2b17ce89e4383755@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I have been using ITIS as a default taxonomic reference, but I see that the Annelida section may be as old as 1999. http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=64357 Is there a more up-to-date comprehensive resource to which I should be referring? Thanks, Charley Eiseman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081202/774887ca/attachment.html From g.read from niwa.co.nz Tue Dec 2 13:56:08 2008 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Tue Dec 2 13:58:26 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Annelid taxonomy In-Reply-To: <1e93a920812011511v7acfd155m2b17ce89e4383755@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e93a920812011511v7acfd155m2b17ce89e4383755@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49363B97.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Hi Charley, WoRMS, World Register of Marine Species, at http://www.marinespecies.org/ covers the Polychaeta nicely. I would not bet the farm on a random record being 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth' but it's colossally useful. Geoff >>> On 2/12/2008 at 12:11 p.m., "Charley Eiseman" wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been using ITIS as a default taxonomic reference, but I see that the > Annelida section may be as old as 1999. > http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value > =64357 > Is there a more up-to-date comprehensive resource to which I should be > referring? NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From g.read from niwa.co.nz Tue Dec 2 14:23:11 2008 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Tue Dec 2 14:24:50 2008 Subject: [Annelida] The Great Barrier Reef - New book Message-ID: <493641EF.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Gidday World, Looking for a Christmas present? The Great Barrier Reef: Biology, Environment and Management. Series: Coral Reefs of the World, Vol. 2. Pat Hutchings, Mike Kingsford, & Ove Hoegh-Guldberg. Due December 2008. ISBN: 978-1-4020-8949-7. 392 pp. Hardcover. [AU $89.95 from publisher] The Great Barrier Reef Marine Park is 344 400 square kilometres in size and is home to one of the most diverse ecosystems in the world. This comprehensive guide describes the organisms and ecosystems of the Great Barrier Reef, as well as the biological, chemical and physical processes that influence them. Contemporary pressing issues such as climate change, coral bleaching, coral disease and the challenges of coral reef fisheries are also discussed. In addition, the book includes a field guide that will help people to identify the common animals and plants on the reef, then to delve into the book to learn more about the roles the biota play. http://www.publish.csiro.au/nid/20/pid/5921.htm http://www.publish.csiro.au/samples/The%20Great%20Barrier%20Reef%20sample%20.pdf http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/reef-guide-to-benefit-research/2008/11/25/1227491548483.html "Pat Hutchings, a 40-year veteran of coral reef research, is not optimistic for the long-term future of the Great Barrier Reef but she is determined to do everything within her power to help its survival. So, together with some of the best and brightest scientific minds in this country, Hutchings has helped compile a comprehensive guide to the reef, its fascinating plants and animals, its diverse ecosystems and the mysterious processes that go into creating and maintaining coral reefs." Chapter 22 - Worms by P. A. Hutchings http://www.australiancoralreefsociety.org/GBR_book.htm -- Geoff Read http://www.annelida.net/ http://www.niwascience.co.nz/ncabb/ About NIWA http://www.niwa.co.nz/about *************************** NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From Dieter.Fiege from senckenberg.de Wed Dec 3 06:53:13 2008 From: Dieter.Fiege from senckenberg.de (dfiege) Date: Wed Dec 3 13:42:32 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Swarming 'worm' In-Reply-To: <49318BFA.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> References: <49306EFC020000D500044EA4@gwia1.ham.niwa.co.nz> <492FC028.7000606@senckenberg.de> <49318BFA.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Message-ID: <49367329.60009@senckenberg.de> Hi all, just to round this off here is a short account of what the German part of Spengel's 1909 paper says (rather freely translated and summarized by me). The info in the second paragraph below supports the identification of the specimens reported by Geoff as G. malayanus. Cheers, Dieter --------------------- Spengel comments [in German] that he described two species in his Siboga-Report: Glandiceps coromandelicus and G. eximius with the latter probably being the species observed by Ikeda and reported by him as G. hacksii. Spengel reports a similar observation for G. malayanus , another species described by him in his Siboga-Report. G. malayanus had been observed swarming in enormous masses in spring 1899 near Surabaja. Unfortunately, only 6 specimens were preserved. These observations on two species of the genus Glandiceps make it seem probable to Spengel that species of this genus ? at least the smaller ones - are able to leave the bottom and swim at the surface for a while, where they gather in enormous masses. Further Spengel discusses a flattening of the body posterior to the collar which Ikeda considers as acting as fins in swimming. Spengel does not follow Ikeda in this assumption since muscles are missing. Spengel quotes Ikeda, who reported a different intensity in color for dorsal and ventral side, the former being darker than the latter ? not observed for G. malayana. Ikeda considered his Glandiceps to be a swimmer and not a burrower but somehow contradicts himself in reporting burrowing movements for stranded individuals. Ikeda speculates about the diet of the species judging from the stomach content but Spengel holds against that they might well have emptied their stomach to increase buoyancy and that diatoms and dinoflagellates in the intestine ? as found by Ikeda and himself - had been taken up during swimming which lasted at least a few days acc. to Ikeda. Acc. to Spengel swarming appears not be correlated with reproduction since Ikeda reports individuals as not sexually mature. Spengel's own observations are not contradicting. But the swarming for feeding on a plancton bloom appears improbable to Spengel. Thus the reason for the swarming behaviour remains unknown and any analogy to epitoky in polychaetes speculation. The mass occurrence of the individuals and the stimulus for swarming remain without explanation. ----------------- Geoff Read schrieb: >Thanks Dieter, thanks Nicholas, > >I doubt there's much more in the lit than what you've come up with. Unfortunately I can't tell you any more about the event because I'm not in contact with the person who observed it. I speculate that it may be a curious fisherman or yacht person, and that no specimens exist. No film either. > >The Spengel is: Spengel, J.W. (1909). Pelagisches Vorkommen von Enteropneusten. Zoologischer Anzeiger, Leipzig 34: 54-59. > >I attach a copy. There's a long English quote from Ikeda included. Dieter will be able to read the rest. I've ocr'd it. >I looked at the Dawydoff (1952) - it just has a brief comment that one of three Glandiceps malayanus specimens was collected at the surface. > >Geoff > > > > > >NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. > -- Dr. Dieter Fiege Curator for Marine Invertebrates (Polychaeta) Senckenberg Research Institute and Natural History Museum Senckenberganlage 25 D-60325 Frankfurt/Main Germany ph: +49-(0)69-7542 1265 Fax: +49-(0)69-746238 www.senckenberg.de From davi0471 from flinders.edu.au Tue Dec 2 23:10:10 2008 From: davi0471 from flinders.edu.au (Sam Davies) Date: Wed Dec 3 13:43:58 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Ababrenicola sp. in South Australia? Message-ID: <001f01c954fd$08be2d30$1a3a8790$@edu.au> Hi fellow wormers, I am currently working on a PhD at Flinders University South Australia. Part of my research involves identifying potential polychaete species for use in aquaculture for the bait market. Last weekend I discovered what appears to be an Abareincolid sp. in a mangrove area. A search of the glorious 'web' has only revealed that they are found in NZ, South Africa etc. and some general information about the genus. Does anyone have ANY information about Australian Abarenicolids, possible species, biology etc.? Wilson, Hutchings and Glasby key ID as probably Abarenicola affinis affinis or A. affinis clarkii based on simple external features, the number of chaetae with branchiae (13) and the first branchiate chaetiger (7). I have only used external features as I don't want to dissect them until I have more in my collection! Is there any reference to either of these species being found in South Australia? I look forward to any replies and thank you in advance. Sam Davies Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds ~ Albert Einstein ________________________ Ph.D Candidate (aquaculture) Flinders University PO Box 2100 SA 5001 * E-Mail: sam.davies@flinders.edu.au ( Phone: (08) 8201 7951 7 Fax: (08) 8201 3015 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081203/e63ae8f2/attachment.html From g.read from niwa.co.nz Wed Dec 3 14:17:18 2008 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Wed Dec 3 14:19:39 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Abarenicola sp. in South Australia? In-Reply-To: <001f01c954fd$08be2d30$1a3a8790$@edu.au> References: <001f01c954fd$08be2d30$1a3a8790$@edu.au> Message-ID: <4937920E.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Sam, The type locality of Abarenicola assimilis devia is Shoreham, Victoria, Australia, and of A. a. haswelli is Burnie, Tasmania. Those were erected by the king of arenicolids, G P Wells, who, my memory aided by wikipedia believes was son of H G Wells, contemporary & colleague of another famed biologist, Julian Huxley, who, inter alia, wrote a paper on Sabella regeneration - must have a look at it sometime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_P_Wells Wells, G.P. (1963). The lugworms of the southern cold temperate zone (Arenicolidae, Polychaeta). Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London. 140(1): 121-159. >>> On 3/12/2008 at 5:10 p.m., "Sam Davies" wrote: > Hi fellow wormers, > Last weekend I discovered what appears to be an Abareincolid sp. in a > mangrove area. > Does anyone have ANY information about Australian Abarenicolids, possible > species, biology etc.? -- Geoff Read http://www.annelida.net/ http://www.niwascience.co.nz/ncabb/ About NIWA http://www.niwa.co.nz/about *************************** NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From salvador.herrando-perez from adelaide.edu.au Wed Dec 3 15:54:52 2008 From: salvador.herrando-perez from adelaide.edu.au (Salvador Herrando-Perez) Date: Wed Dec 3 15:58:05 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Ababrenicola sp. in South Australia? In-Reply-To: <001f01c954fd$08be2d30$1a3a8790$@edu.au> References: <001f01c954fd$08be2d30$1a3a8790$@edu.au> Message-ID: <000c01c95589$63ade0f0$2b09a2d0$@herrando-perez@adelaide.edu.au> Hi Sam, we work nearby. See the paper below, it may be of your interest. Regards, Salva Intertidal facilitation and indirect effects: causes and consequences of crawling in the New Zealand cockle Author(s): Mouritsen KN Source: MARINE ECOLOGY-PROGRESS SERIES Volume: 271 Pages: 207-220 Published: 2004 Times Cited: 9 References: 29 Citation Map Abstract: Bioturbation by the ghost shrimp Callianassa filholi and the lugworms Abarenicola affinis as well as coverage by macroalgae cause the New Zealand cockle Austrovenus stutchburyi (Veneridae) to relocate by crawling longer distances on the sediment surface. On the surface, the cockles become targets for sublethal predation by benthic-feeding fishes, which crop off their feet. This renders the cockles unable to bury for up to 8 wk, thus exposing them to a 5-fold higher predation pressure from shorebirds and the whelk Cominella glandiformis than buried conspecifics. Shell dimensions, foot size, general condition, gender, age, and infections by gymnophallid trematodes do not influence the crawling activity of cockles. However, heavy infection by the digenean trematode Curtuteria australis and the shell-boring spionid polychaete Boccardia acus reduces the distance travelled, and these organisms may hence reinforce the impact of the biogenic disturbers by forcing repeated crawling of the cockles to reach an undisturbed site. The presence of biogenic disturbers and some parasites therefore benefits predating fishes by providing them with an otherwise inaccessible food source, and these in turn benefit birds and whelks through foot-cropping, thus increasing the availability of prey. The gymnophallids also receive an advantage through transmission success to their definitive shorebird hosts. The question as to whether Curtuteria australis benefits, depends on the balance between its loss to fishes (unsuitable hosts) and its increased trophic transmission to its bird hosts. The spionid B, acus on the other hand is negatively affected, since its fate is linked to that of its substrate, which is the shell of the cockle. If the cockle is predated, the attached B. acus will perish also. Addresses: 1. Univ Aarhus, Dept Marine Ecol, DK-8200 Aarhus N, Denmark 2. Univ Otago, Portobello Marine Lab, Dept Marine Sci, Dunedin, New Zealand 3. Univ Otago, Portobello Marine Lab, Dept Zool, Dunedin, New Zealand E-mail Addresses: kim.mouritsen@biology.au.dk Salvador Herrando-P?rez School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide, SA 5005, Australia Office phone: +61 8 8303 5254 / Office fax: +61 8 8303 4347 / Mobile phone: +61 406049010 https://www.adelaide.edu.au/directory/salvador.herrando-perez / salvador.herrando-perez@adelaide.edu.au From: annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Davies Sent: 03 December 2008 14:40 To: Anneldia emails Subject: [Annelida] Ababrenicola sp. in South Australia? Hi fellow wormers, I am currently working on a PhD at Flinders University South Australia. Part of my research involves identifying potential polychaete species for use in aquaculture for the bait market. Last weekend I discovered what appears to be an Abareincolid sp. in a mangrove area. A search of the glorious ?web? has only revealed that they are found in NZ, South Africa etc. and some general information about the genus. Does anyone have ANY information about Australian Abarenicolids, possible species, biology etc.? Wilson, Hutchings and Glasby key ID as probably Abarenicola affinis affinis or A. affinis clarkii based on simple external features, the number of chaetae with branchiae (13) and the first branchiate chaetiger (7). I have only used external features as I don?t want to dissect them until I have more in my collection! Is there any reference to either of these species being found in South Australia? I look forward to any replies and thank you in advance. Sam Davies Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds ~ Albert Einstein ________________________ Ph.D Candidate (aquaculture) Flinders University PO Box 2100 SA 5001 * E-Mail: sam.davies@flinders.edu.au ( Phone: (08) 8201 7951 7 Fax: (08) 8201 3015 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081204/801314f9/attachment.html From prentiss from maine.edu Fri Dec 5 11:16:03 2008 From: prentiss from maine.edu (Nancy Prentiss) Date: Fri Dec 5 15:23:43 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Polychaete calendar Message-ID: Hello, I purchased Pleijel and Rouse's 2008 Polychaetous Annelids calendar while at the 2007 polychaete conference in Portland, ME. I enjoy using it and often refer my students and others to the images whenever I get that funny look for telling people that I'm studying worms. Is there a 2009 version? I'm eager to get one. Thanks, Nancy Prentiss Department of Natural Sciences Preble Hall, 173 High St. University of Maine at Farmington Farmington, Maine 04938 prentiss@maine.edu office: (207) 778-7396 FAX: (207) 778-7365 From g.read from niwa.co.nz Sat Dec 6 22:35:49 2008 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Sat Dec 6 22:39:32 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place References: <493ADA7C020000D5000451BE@gwia1.ham.niwa.co.nz> <493BFB65020000D5000451DB@gwia1.ham.niwa.co.nz> Message-ID: <493BFB64.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> I struggle to categorise this paper. I think it's in a class of its own. Saglam, N.; Sarieyyupoglu, M. (2008). Eunice norvegica (Polychaeta: Eunicidae) in the gill of horse mackerel (Trachurus trachurus). International Journal of Natural and Engineering Sciences 2(1):37-39. http://www.nobelonline.net/makalelistele.asp?Syf=2&dergiID=1&katalogID=1&yil=2008 Astonishing piece of work. An example to us all. The authors can quote me on that. Yes it's really, really bad. And strange. And it's there in Zoological Record. Geoff -- Geoff Read http://www.annelida.net/ http://www.niwascience.co.nz/ncabb/ About NIWA http://www.niwa.co.nz/about *************************** NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From grouse from ucsd.edu Sun Dec 7 12:31:28 2008 From: grouse from ucsd.edu (Greg Rouse) Date: Sun Dec 7 13:44:17 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Polychaete calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86A0D2FF-5E33-42A8-9FF3-BEB1AB2EB0FC@ucsd.edu> Hi Nancy, Sorry to say that Fred and I did not do a 2009 calendar. Hopefully we will get one together for the next Polychaete conference. :-) g On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Nancy Prentiss wrote: > Hello, > > I purchased Pleijel and Rouse's 2008 Polychaetous Annelids calendar > while at > the 2007 polychaete conference in Portland, ME. I enjoy using it and > often > refer my students and others to the images whenever I get that funny > look > for telling people that I'm studying worms. > > Is there a 2009 version? I'm eager to get one. > > Thanks, > > Nancy Prentiss > > > > Department of Natural Sciences > Preble Hall, 173 High St. > University of Maine at Farmington > Farmington, Maine 04938 > prentiss@maine.edu > office: (207) 778-7396 > FAX: (207) 778-7365 > > > _______________________________________________ > Annelida mailing list > Post: Annelida@net.bio.net > Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida > Resources: http://www.annelida.net Greg Rouse Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UCSD 9500 Gilman Drive La Jolla CA, 92093-0202 USA http://spineless.ucsd.edu/ e-mail: grouse@ucsd.edu Office Ph: +1 858 534 7973 Lab Ph: +1 858 534 9941 Fax: +1 858 534 7313 Courier delivery address: Scripps Institution of Oceanography 8750 Biological Grade 2170 Hubbs Hall La Jolla, CA 92037 USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081207/742eb6c5/attachment.html From ceiseman from gmail.com Sun Dec 7 15:09:31 2008 From: ceiseman from gmail.com (Charley Eiseman) Date: Sun Dec 7 15:18:43 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Tubes, egg cases, and other structures made by annelids In-Reply-To: References: <1e93a920811291424h71b46cfcvcdaa7a3bc8b48830@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e93a920812071209v2da4d0eakb088d91804de0d7a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone who has responded. There is complete consensus that #3 is *Diopatra cuprea*. Maldanidae represents the third order that has been suggested for #2. Yes, I believe they did break easily, but for my purposes perhaps it's best that I simply indicate that similar tubes could be the product of many different polychaetes, and leave it at that. #1 has been almost universally ignored, except for one person who referred me to a species that I investigated and discovered its tubes are much too small, and another who assured me they would have to be made by insects if they are in fresh water. If anyone is familiar with *Tubifex* worms and can provide or direct me to a good description of their tubes (size and composition), that would be very helpful. I'm not thinking that's what these are, but I would still like to include a description in the text. These are fairly near my house, unlike the others, so I will see if I can collect a sample and find an aquatic invert specialist who can identify them. It appears that midge or possibly crane fly larvae are the best explanation for these, but I have yet to find a description with sufficient detail to confirm this. I didn't expect #4 would get much of a response, but figured it was worth a shot. I was sent a photo of a somewhat similar tunnel made by Australian termites, but I've never heard of any North American species that does something quite like this. Cheers, Charley On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Sarah A Woodin wrote: > my guess given the tube and the region that number 2 are maldanid tubes. > Did they break easily? If so, even more likely to be maldanids. In the > intertidal number 3 is most likely to be Diopatra cuprea. > > Sarah Ann Woodin > Carolina Distinguished Professor > Department of Biological Sciences > University of South Carolina > Columbia, SC 29208 > office: 803-777-4141 > lab: 803-777-4254 > fax: 803-777-4002 > > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2008, Charley Eiseman wrote: > > Hello all, >> >> I am working on a field guide to the 'tracks and signs' of North American >> invertebrates. The bulk of it will be devoted to insects and spiders, but >> there will be scattered references to annelids, and I'm hoping some of you >> can help me make the coverage as complete and accurate as possible. >> >> One category of 'signs' is the tubes made by certain freshwater and marine >> worms. I am interested in information on which taxa make these, and how >> exactly they go about constructing them. I have collected photos of a few >> such tubes here: http://charleyeiseman.com/annelid.html and I'm hoping >> someone can tell me what they are (or might be). There is also a question >> about earthworm burrows at the bottom of that page. >> >> The book will include photos of the egg cases of *Eisenia foetida* and an >> unidentified leech. If anyone can provide information on variations in >> size, structure, and appearance among the egg cases of North American >> annelids, that would be very helpful. >> >> I will also be discussing earthworm castings and the midden piles of >> *Lumbricus >> terrestris* (I have photos of both), as well as the effects on forest >> soils >> of introduced earthworms in general. I live in New England and I'm >> unclear >> on the importance of exotic earthworms south of the glaciated region, so >> comments on that would be helpful. >> >> I think that essentially covers the annelid signs I'm aware of at this >> point. I would welcome any suggestions of other phenomena to consider, or >> contributions of any photographs that would augment the ones I've already >> mentioned. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Charley Eiseman >> ceiseman@gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081207/29bb44c8/attachment.html From H.A.tenHove from uva.nl Wed Dec 10 04:26:12 2008 From: H.A.tenHove from uva.nl (Harry A. ten Hove) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:48:00 2008 Subject: [Annelida] a "swarm" of Glandiceps malayanus Message-ID: For the sake of completeness. Our collection manager worms, Mrs. Joke Bleeker, found the (some?) typematerial of Glandiceps malayanus still present in our collections. There are 4 trays with altogether 167 numbered microscope slides, each with up to 24 serial cuts. Interested persons should contact either her (j.bleeker@uva.nl) or the responsible curator dr. R. Sluys (r.sluys@uva.nl). wormly, -- dr. Harry A. ten Hove Zoological Museum, University of Amsterdam POB 94766, 1090 GT AMSTERDAM TEL. +3120 5256906 FAX. +3120 5255402 H.A.tenHove@uva.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081210/7413825c/attachment.html From gread from actrix.gen.nz Wed Dec 10 15:53:50 2008 From: gread from actrix.gen.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Wed Dec 10 15:56:09 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place Message-ID: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Hi Folks, Interesting. There was almost no feedback on that posting. What looks like an incomprehensible load of nonsense is published, and the reaction is - zilch, blah, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Should we leave awful work uncommented upon? Just ignore it? I don't think so. Should I be more kind and non-judgmental? Very likely, but it is disappointing to see something like this slip through to muddy the waters of the permanent record. Just my opinion. Let me know yours. Geoff From kfitzhug from nhm.org Wed Dec 10 16:18:21 2008 From: kfitzhug from nhm.org (J. Kirk Fitzhugh) Date: Wed Dec 10 16:23:21 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place In-Reply-To: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <4940321D.6010903@nhm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081210/83ebae5e/attachment.html From gambimc from szn.it Thu Dec 11 07:34:22 2008 From: gambimc from szn.it (Maria Cristina Gambi) Date: Thu Dec 11 13:42:45 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place In-Reply-To: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.1.20081211132518.01ea7900@in.szn.it> Hi Jeff, in my opinion you are right...., and not only because of the "odd place" of this record.... I could only suggest to write to the Editor of the Journal....stressing the poor science of this contribution... in such case, I would consider the Editor as responsible as the Authors...who revised this piece of work? surely NO a polychaete specialist of any kind... All the best and cheers, Maria Cristina At 21.53 10/12/2008, Geoff Read wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Interesting. There was almost no feedback on that posting. What looks like >an incomprehensible load of nonsense is published, and the reaction is - >zilch, blah, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. > >Should we leave awful work uncommented upon? Just ignore it? I don't >think so. Should I be more kind and non-judgmental? Very likely, but it >is disappointing to see something like this slip through to muddy the >waters of the permanent record. > >Just my opinion. Let me know yours. > >Geoff > >_______________________________________________ >Annelida mailing list >Post: Annelida@net.bio.net >Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida >Resources: http://www.annelida.net ------------------------------ Maria Cristina Gambi Laboratorio di Ecologia del Benthos (Stazione Zoologica "Anton Dohrn" di Napoli) Punta S. Pietro 80077 Ischia (Napoli, Italy) tel ++39 081 991410 or ++39 081 5833513 fax ++39 081 984201 e-mail:gambimc@szn.it ------------------------------------------- From FAUCHALD from si.edu Thu Dec 11 09:07:11 2008 From: FAUCHALD from si.edu (Fauchald, Kristian) Date: Thu Dec 11 13:43:04 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place In-Reply-To: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <707264088F25964398B036DDCEB1C0F00445857D@SI-ECL01.US.SINET.SI.EDU> Geoff, The problem is that it is a use of the scientific name and once in, it is just about impossible to get wiped out. I did not take the time to look up the original message, so I do not know whether the cited worm is even an annelid, but it does not matter: Once in, very rarely out. For that reason, I believe to make a bit of song and dance about it is worthwhile, because the messages also in some sense gets to be part of the message and may be cited as awful warnings. Kristian -----Original Message----- From: annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of Geoff Read Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:54 PM To: Annelida list Subject: Re: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place Hi Folks, Interesting. There was almost no feedback on that posting. What looks like an incomprehensible load of nonsense is published, and the reaction is - zilch, blah, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Should we leave awful work uncommented upon? Just ignore it? I don't think so. Should I be more kind and non-judgmental? Very likely, but it is disappointing to see something like this slip through to muddy the waters of the permanent record. Just my opinion. Let me know yours. Geoff _______________________________________________ Annelida mailing list Post: Annelida@net.bio.net Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida Resources: http://www.annelida.net From lana from ufpr.br Thu Dec 11 09:09:15 2008 From: lana from ufpr.br (Paulo Lana) Date: Thu Dec 11 13:43:27 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place In-Reply-To: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <49411F0B.30102@ufpr.br> Dear Geoff, Scientific information has to be presented in a logical, direct and correct fashion, which seems independent of language. Alas, most of us, non native English speakers, must work very hard to communicate and write in this language. Believe me, we suffer a lot in this endeavour :-) Yes, you are right. I agree. Yes, it was really, really bad. And strange. And now it will be forever in Zoological Record. I?d rather read it in Turkish or Brazilian Portuguese. Maybe it would "sound" better, despite the bad scientific content, as thousands of perfectly written papers in English in hundreds of carefully edited periodicals do. But couldn?t we, as members of the International Polychaetology Association, devise strategies to avoid this kind of bad work and maybe to help our colleagues? If not for science itself, at least only to mitigate (alleviate, unburden?) their linguistic restraints? Sorry about my faulty English :-) Warm regards, Paulo Geoff Read escreveu: > Hi Folks, > > Interesting. There was almost no feedback on that posting. What looks like > an incomprehensible load of nonsense is published, and the reaction is - > zilch, blah, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. > > Should we leave awful work uncommented upon? Just ignore it? I don't > think so. Should I be more kind and non-judgmental? Very likely, but it > is disappointing to see something like this slip through to muddy the > waters of the permanent record. > > Just my opinion. Let me know yours. > > Geoff > > _______________________________________________ > Annelida mailing list > Post: Annelida@net.bio.net > Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida > Resources: http://www.annelida.net > > __________ NOD32 2938 (20080311) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ NOD32 2938 (20080311) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From njmaciolek from gmail.com Fri Dec 12 16:08:51 2008 From: njmaciolek from gmail.com (Nancy Maciolek) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:09:28 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place In-Reply-To: <49411F0B.30102@ufpr.br> References: <42151.202.36.29.1.1228942430.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> <49411F0B.30102@ufpr.br> Message-ID: <954d2baa0812121308i198b042gb972815038668bb5@mail.gmail.com> Geoff asked that we chime in with our reactions to the strange, bad paper, and a few have done so. However, I am prompted to comment by Paulo's post: Paulo wrote: "But couldn?t we, as members of the International Polychaetology Association, devise strategies to avoid this kind of bad work and maybe to help our colleagues? If not for science itself, at least only to mitigate (alleviate, unburden?) their linguistic restraints?" I have great admiration for those of you who write papers in English when it is not your native language. I certainly could not ~ I even had to have help with the Spanish abstract for my paper in the Madrid IPC Proceedings. There is a wide range of expertise among polychaetologists and some of you could even help others as much as a native English speaker could. (Paulo, your English is excellent.) As a reviewer and, in recent years, editor, I have seen perhaps 150 manuscripts, maybe 90% of which were written by non-native English speakers. In some cases, I am certain that the presentation would have been greatly improved if the writer's own major professor had taken the time to correct the paper before it was submitted. (Sometimes that professor's name has been on the manuscript!) In other cases, well-meaning reviewers have introduced new grammatical errors or offered conflicting editorial advice, and the editor's work becomes complicated trying to explain what parts of the advice to accept and what to ignore. Years ago, many journals employed copy-editors who would take care of all the details of grammar, punctuation, and formatting, as well as fact-checking to be sure that references were complete, museum numbers were inserted, etc. Today, most journals, including Zootaxa, do not: the (volunteer) subject editors are responsible for all of that. Many colleagues are generous with their time, but others are over-committed and cannot help at all, so sometimes the most appropriate technical reviewer is simply not available. One step to devising the strategy that Paulo requests would be to update the list of Polychaete Researchers and their areas of expertise. There are many new people in the field since the last version of that list, not to mention that there are also new fields of endeavor (e.g., molecular systematics). Who are you, what are your credentials, what is your area of expertise, what are you willing to review (and how often) ... I'd like to know! And we could send that list to Editors of journals such as the one under fire at the moment. Nancy PS. Anyone wondering how the IPC 9 Proceedings are coming should read this message carefully! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The conference will address the following: ?Ecological and evolutionary impacts, including potential shifts with global change ?Predicting the scale and diversity of invasions in the face of global change ?Measuring and predicting spread on regional and global scales ?Invasion patterns over time and space: does the past predict the future? ?Advances in detection, identification and tracking-to-origin capabilities ?Management, rapid response, eradication and restoration Submit proposals for special sessions related to these themes to Jeb Byers (jebyers@uga.edu) by 3 January. Sessions may be a half or a full day; please include a title and list of potential speakers. Scientific Steering Committee: Jeb Byers Henn Ojaveer Jeff Crooks Thomas Therriault Anders Jelmert Whitman Miller Gil Rilov Lisa Drake Mark Sytsma Chela Zabin Yoon Lee Advisors: Judith Pederson Jim Carlton NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Header Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2956 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081216/bf3ba8af/Header.exe From g.read from niwa.co.nz Tue Dec 16 21:41:58 2008 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Tue Dec 16 21:50:33 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Sabella spallanzanii in Lyttelton NZ? In-Reply-To: <48BFC034.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> References: <483F05E9.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> <486D3156.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> <48BFC034.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Message-ID: <49491DC5.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Hi all, An end of year update on the update. Our institute has supervised a further cull recently. Divers got only another 15 in late November, but some I think are from a 2nd generation. The few full-grown worms taken were non-reproductive (whereas worms back in August were mostly near gravid). Now the NZ government has announced funding for a 5 year control and monitoring programme. http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government+takes+action+biosecurity+threat/ or http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/media/16-12-08/govt-act-on-biosec-threat Geoff >>> On 4/09/2008 at 11:02 a.m., "Geoff Read" wrote: > Hi all, > > An update for those interested in the Sabella spallanzanii incursion in the > port area of Lyttelton Harbour. > Last week we did our best to harvest all detectable worms there - I should be > able to tell you more later on about the actual results & the future outlook. > > Meantime here's the official news releases: > > Systematic hand picking removal off wharf piles and local moored vessels by > divers, and further assessment of the population structure, began last week, > following very low numbers recovered in scoping earlier searches. > > http://www.niwascience.co.nz/ncabb/abb/2008-28/fanworm > > The photo in the print version of the newsletter looks much better than in > the online pdf - not bad considering the animals were very dead at the time! > Can you tell? We have excellent photos from life now. > > http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/media/22-8-08/marine-pest > > Such a pity that this lovely sabellid has arrived unwanted in the wrong > place and must be culled. NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From selim_samia from yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 15:35:50 2008 From: selim_samia from yahoo.com (Samia Selim) Date: Mon Dec 22 13:54:16 2008 Subject: [Annelida] need help Message-ID: <919382.63101.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, ? Now, I am preparing a state of art about "The economic importance of polychaetes". I will be?so grateful if?anyone could help me. Please, send me by e-mail: selim_samia@yahoo.com ? Samia Selim ? Institute of Oceanography and Fisheries, Kayet-Beh, El-Anfoushy, Alexandria, Egypt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081221/af44fbd0/attachment.html From gread from actrix.gen.nz Mon Dec 22 14:48:15 2008 From: gread from actrix.gen.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:51:20 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place Message-ID: <47642.202.36.29.1.1229975295.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Hi all, As a postscript I can report I followed Maria Cristina's advice and wrote to the editor of the "International Journal of Natural and Engineering Sciences", whose contributors nevertheless all appear to be Turkish, published by Nobel Publishing, self-described as "one of the largest publishers in Turkey", aspiring to "serve mankind by publishing knowledge" There was no response to my complaint and offer of help with reviewers. If this journal wishes to improve its standards to get out of the gutter press zone and become of good reputation, it isn't doing too well at the moment. Geoff >>> On 12/12/2008 at 1:34 a.m., Maria Cristina Gambi wrote: > Hi Jeff, in my opinion you are right...., and not only because of the "odd > place" of this record.... > I could only suggest to write to the Editor of the Journal....stressing the > poor science of this contribution... in such case, I would consider the > Editor as responsible as the Authors...who revised this piece of work? > surely NO a polychaete specialist of any kind... -- Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D. Wellington, NEW ZEALAND gread@actrix.gen.nz From LLovell from lacsd.org Mon Dec 22 17:42:59 2008 From: LLovell from lacsd.org (Lovell, Larry) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:56:14 2008 Subject: [Annelida] SCAMIT calendar In-Reply-To: <86A0D2FF-5E33-42A8-9FF3-BEB1AB2EB0FC@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: Hi Nancy, Greg and other calendar fans. Greg and Fred's calendar was a great hit last year. It set a great example for others to follow .... and SCAMIT has produced a calendar of very nice marine invertebrate images, including several polychaetes, for 2009. Please check it out at the Caf? Press website http://www.cafepress.com/scamit (bottom of the page on the right). They look great in your office/lab and make great gifts, too! Season's Greeting to all, Larry Lovell President, SCAMIT -----Original Message----- From: annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu]On Behalf Of Greg Rouse Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:31 AM To: Nancy Prentiss Cc: Annelida@magpie.bio.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [Annelida] Polychaete calendar Hi Nancy, Sorry to say that Fred and I did not do a 2009 calendar. Hopefully we will get one together for the next Polychaete conference. :-) g On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Nancy Prentiss wrote: Hello, I purchased Pleijel and Rouse's 2008 Polychaetous Annelids calendar while at the 2007 polychaete conference in Portland, ME. I enjoy using it and often refer my students and others to the images whenever I get that funny look for telling people that I'm studying worms. Is there a 2009 version? I'm eager to get one. Thanks, Nancy Prentiss Department of Natural Sciences Preble Hall, 173 High St. University of Maine at Farmington Farmington, Maine 04938 prentiss@maine.edu office: (207) 778-7396 FAX: (207) 778-7365 _______________________________________________ Annelida mailing list Post: Annelida@net.bio.net Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida Resources: http://www.annelida.net Greg Rouse Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UCSD 9500 Gilman Drive La Jolla CA, 92093-0202 USA http://spineless.ucsd.edu/ e-mail: grouse@ucsd.edu Office Ph: +1 858 534 7973 Lab Ph: +1 858 534 9941 Fax: +1 858 534 7313 Courier delivery address: Scripps Institution of Oceanography 8750 Biological Grade 2170 Hubbs Hall La Jolla, CA 92037 USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081222/0746a021/attachment.html From H.A.tenHove from uva.nl Tue Dec 23 05:56:30 2008 From: H.A.tenHove from uva.nl (Harry A. ten Hove) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:46:40 2008 Subject: [Annelida] need help In-Reply-To: <919382.63101.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <919382.63101.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Hi all, > > > >Now, I am preparing a state of art about "The economic importance of >polychaetes". > >I will be so grateful if anyone could help me. Please, send me by >e-mail: selim_samia@yahoo.com > > > >Samia Selim > > > >Institute of Oceanography and Fisheries, > >Kayet-Beh, El-Anfoushy, Alexandria, Egypt. Dear Samia, That is a very wide range of topics you want to cover, from worms traded as fish-bait to commercially cultured polychaetes, from the importance of the palolo worm as source of food to the damage done to oysters by boring polychaetes (Polydora), from increase in fuel consumption by a heavy cover of fouling organisms (such as serpulids) to serpulids as competitors for food and space with economically important oysters. The problem may be that, although many statements on economic importance are made, to my knowledge (but of course I only am studying Serpulidae) few hard data have been given. Unfortunately economy is not a key word in my literature retrieval system. The only reference I presently can think of is: Arakawa, K.Y., 1971.- Notes on a serious damage to cultured oyster crops in Hiroshima caused by a unique and unprecedented outbreak of a serpulid worm, Hydroides norvegica (Gunnerus) in 1969. Venus 30, 2: 75-82, 1 pl. Of course you are aware that H. norvegicus does not occur in Japan, and that the proper name probably should be H. elegans. The fact that your question is not very specific may cause some reticence in reactions from the polychaete community, maybe you should narrow down your request. wormly, -- dr. Harry A. ten Hove Zoological Museum, University of Amsterdam POB 94766, 1090 GT AMSTERDAM TEL. +3120 5256906 FAX. +3120 5255402 H.A.tenHove@uva.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081223/e2778c00/attachment.html From g.read from niwa.co.nz Tue Dec 23 18:19:45 2008 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Tue Dec 23 18:22:29 2008 Subject: Economic importance of polychaetes Re: [Annelida] need help Message-ID: <495228E1020000D5000461E0@gwia1.ham.niwa.co.nz> Hi, Let us first acknowledge one of the significant economic benefits of polychaetes is that they are a means whereby many of us gain employment as scientists, and thereby have money to buy the essentials of life. Two pretty sabellid aliens with contrasting receptions and economic effects:- The sabellid Sabellastarte spectabilis is a harvested marine ornamental species in Hawaii. Attempts have been made to aquaculture it. Whereas the sabellid Sabella spallanzanii is an unwanted fouling alien in New Zealand. Attempts have been made to eradicate it, and NZ $3.6 million is budgeted for the program in future. Geoff >>> "Harry A. ten Hove" 12/24/08 10:13 AM >>> Dear Samia, That is a very wide range of topics you want to cover, from worms traded as fish-bait to commercially cultured polychaetes, from the importance of the palolo worm as source of food to the damage done to oysters by boring polychaetes (Polydora), from increase in fuel consumption by a heavy cover of fouling organisms (such as serpulids) to serpulids as competitors for food and space with economically important oysters. The problem may be that, although many statements on economic importance are made, to my knowledge (but of course I only am studying Serpulidae) few hard data have been given. Unfortunately economy is not a key word in my literature retrieval system. The only reference I presently can think of is: Arakawa, K.Y., 1971.- Notes on a serious damage to cultured oyster crops in Hiroshima caused by a unique and unprecedented outbreak of a serpulid worm, Hydroides norvegica (Gunnerus) in 1969. Venus 30, 2: 75-82, 1 pl. Of course you are aware that H. norvegicus does not occur in Japan, and that the proper name probably should be H. elegans. The fact that your question is not very specific may cause some reticence in reactions from the polychaete community, maybe you should narrow down your request. NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From gambimc from szn.it Wed Dec 24 14:18:38 2008 From: gambimc from szn.it (gambimc@szn.it) Date: Wed Dec 24 17:55:55 2008 Subject: [Annelida] need help In-Reply-To: <919382.63101.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <919382.63101.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081224201838.xzep80xpto0sswgg@webmail.szn.it> Hi Samia, as regards the commercial and economic values of polychaetes you should also consider their use as bait for recreationl fishing....There are various species collected exploiting naturalk populations, while Nereis virens aas also actively acquacultured in UK... I can send you some references and pdf reprints on such subject and you should also search for papers by Peter Olive.... Another economic relevance of polychaete is related to their use as food for acquaculture, especially for shrimps juvenile growth since they are reach in fat acids (see again Olive' papers).... Now I am out of my Institute for Christmas but I'll be back to you in the New Year, Have nice holidays, cheers, Maria Cristina Gambi on Citando Samia Selim : > Hi all, > ? > Now, I am preparing a state of art about "The economic importance of > polychaetes". > I will be?so grateful if?anyone could help me. Please, send me by > e-mail: selim_samia@yahoo.com > ? > Samia Selim > ? > Institute of Oceanography and Fisheries, > Kayet-Beh, El-Anfoushy, Alexandria, Egypt. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From mguerra from ipimar.pt Fri Dec 26 06:28:17 2008 From: mguerra from ipimar.pt (Miriam Guerra) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:43:54 2008 Subject: [Annelida] need help In-Reply-To: <20081224201838.xzep80xpto0sswgg@webmail.szn.it> Message-ID: Samia, In Portugal polychaetes have a considerable economic importance as bait for recreational and professional fisheries and their exploitation (for the Portuguese market and for exportation as well) has impacts both on the quality of the environment where they are caught and for the communities inhabiting the exploited biotopes and, is ruled by Law with a period of interdiction (see http://www.apdr.pt/congresso/2008/pdf/E_tudo.pdf). They are also used as fish food in aquaculture. The species that are exploited are the Nereididae Nereis diversicolor, the Eunicidae Marphysa sanguinea and the Onuphidae Diopatra neapolitana. The main locations of exploitation are the estuaries of rivers Tejo (near Lisbon) and Sado (near Set?bal) (NW/SW Portugal), they are caught by hand, with a weeding hoe, in the intertidal zone during low tide (see http://www.fc.up.pt/pessoas/ptsantos/med-tec-conservacao-recursos-pesca-v11- jan2005.pdf) I hope to have been of some help for you. Good luck with your work, Cheers, Miriam Tuaty Guerra Institute for fisheries and marine research, Lisbon, Portugal -----Mensagem original----- De: annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu] Em nome de gambimc@szn.it Enviada: quarta-feira, 24 de Dezembro de 2008 19:19 Para: annelida@magpie.bio.indiana.edu Assunto: Re: [Annelida] need help Hi Samia, as regards the commercial and economic values of polychaetes you should also consider their use as bait for recreationl fishing....There are various species collected exploiting naturalk populations, while Nereis virens aas also actively acquacultured in UK... I can send you some references and pdf reprints on such subject and you should also search for papers by Peter Olive.... Another economic relevance of polychaete is related to their use as food for acquaculture, especially for shrimps juvenile growth since they are reach in fat acids (see again Olive' papers).... Now I am out of my Institute for Christmas but I'll be back to you in the New Year, Have nice holidays, cheers, Maria Cristina Gambi on Citando Samia Selim : > Hi all, > ? > Now, I am preparing a state of art about "The economic importance of > polychaetes". > I will be?so grateful if?anyone could help me. Please, send me by > e-mail: selim_samia@yahoo.com > ? > Samia Selim > ? > Institute of Oceanography and Fisheries, > Kayet-Beh, El-Anfoushy, Alexandria, Egypt. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ Annelida mailing list Post: Annelida@net.bio.net Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida Resources: http://www.annelida.net From guleykurt from mail.ege.edu.tr Fri Dec 26 13:40:19 2008 From: guleykurt from mail.ege.edu.tr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCley_KURT_SAHIN?=) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:51:48 2008 Subject: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place In-Reply-To: <47642.202.36.29.1.1229975295.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <47642.202.36.29.1.1229975295.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: Hi all, I am from Ege University, Turkey and studying on taxonomy and ecology of Polychaeta distributed along the Turkish coast. My phd thesis is taxonomical and ecological features of Eunicidae distributed along the Turkish coast of Levantine Sea and my supervisor is Melih Ertan ?inar. Unfortunately, I read your mails about Eunice norvegica from the gill of horse mackerel (!), and I need to write something about it. Yes, I disappointed when I saw this paper. I agree with all comments, it is really poor and bad work. We don't know anything about "the paper" in question. How did they determine the parasite as E. norvegica?? Also we don't know the authors and they didn't ask for help for identification or confirmation. I wrote something to the editor of the journal. If he will response to me, I will share with you. I'm very sorry as a Turkish scientist studying on polychaetes and I hope it will not be repeated. Best wishes from Turkey! G?ley KURT SAHIN ******************************************** G?ley KURT SAHIN Ege University Faculty of Fisheries Department of Hydrobiology Section of Marine Biology 35100 Bornova Izmir, TURKEY ******************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Read" To: "Annelida list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place > Hi all, > > As a postscript I can report I followed Maria Cristina's advice and wrote > to the editor of the "International Journal of Natural and Engineering > Sciences", whose contributors nevertheless all appear to be Turkish, > published by Nobel Publishing, self-described as "one of the largest > publishers in Turkey", aspiring to "serve mankind by publishing knowledge" > > There was no response to my complaint and offer of help with reviewers. If > this journal wishes to improve its standards to get out of the gutter > press zone and become of good reputation, it isn't doing too well at the > moment. > > Geoff > >>>> On 12/12/2008 at 1:34 a.m., Maria Cristina Gambi >>>> wrote: >> Hi Jeff, in my opinion you are right...., and not only because of the >> "odd >> place" of this record.... >> I could only suggest to write to the Editor of the Journal....stressing >> the >> poor science of this contribution... in such case, I would consider the >> Editor as responsible as the Authors...who revised this piece of work? >> surely NO a polychaete specialist of any kind... > > > -- > Geoffrey B. 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From amar.musale from gmail.com Sun Dec 28 02:00:33 2008 From: amar.musale from gmail.com (amar musale) Date: Sun Dec 28 03:59:08 2008 Subject: [Annelida] About dredging effect on polychaetes!! Message-ID: <3f5f5910812272300h8eb89d3re36621ffac343ac1@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, First of all wishng you all very happy, prosperous,healthy, wealthy and succesful new year, 2009!!! My self Amar indian research scholar works on polychaete taxonomy at NIO,India.i am preparing one topic on "dredging effect on marine soft bottom communitites" so anybody works on the same?? i would be grateful to get some more information and few of the publications on the same. Warm regards, Amar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081228/52326efc/attachment.html From gread from actrix.gen.nz Sun Dec 28 17:14:43 2008 From: gread from actrix.gen.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Sun Dec 28 17:17:50 2008 Subject: (Fwd) RE: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place Message-ID: <4958B123.16022.A872CD@localhost> Lost in cyberspace. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Sergio Salazar To: , , Annelida discussion group Subject: RE: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place Date sent: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:31:24 +0000 Dear Guley and worried colleagues, A search in GoogleScholar indicates that one of the authors, or a homonym, of the now famous paper has made other publications on parasitic hirudineans in JMBA and was even involved in a book on toxicology. Thus, I would regard the publication as the result of a young colleague trying to get some lines for the CV, and being in a rush, he failed to check some critical details. Further, the referee and editors failed to detect some orthographic or grammar problems and the ms was published probably as it was originally sent. The paper has several striking features, indeed, and that might make us think nothing in that paper is either reliable or worth reading. I disagree. The finding of any eunicid-like polychaete, including a mature female, in the gills of a fish is noteworthy. Once you take a look at the publications employed, it would be easy to understand why they got such species name, which is questionable beyond doubt. However, the finding is very interesting and it deserves a more detailed study. This is why Luis and I tried to contact the authors, asking for some worms to better understand the issue and offering some help. We got a 'Yes' reply but no worms at all yet. Hope they can be sent to Guley, since there would be no problems about any international mail restrictions. On the other hand, I fear that beyond our serious concern about the quality of some publications, and despite the fact that some of us even request to some editors details about the publication of certain papers, we rarely take some time off to help other colleagues to improve the quality of their mss, especially if they are as poorly written as my own contributions. You may recall that I like to say that Science is a collective activity. Let's find the means and chances to really help any of us who has problems with written English, no matter how slight or severe these problems are, or seem to be. Hope 2009 is much better than 2008. Un abrazo cordial, Sergio > From: guleykurt@mail.ege.edu.tr> To: gread@actrix.gen.nz; annelida@magpie.bio.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:40:19 +0200> CC: > > Hi all,> > I am from Ege University, Turkey and studying on taxonomy and ecology of > Polychaeta distributed along the Turkish coast. My phd thesis is taxonomical > and ecological features of Eunicidae distributed along the Turkish coast of > Levantine Sea and my supervisor is Melih Ertan ?inar. Unfortunately, I read > your mails about Eunice norvegica from the gill of horse mackerel (!), and I > need to write something about it. Yes, I disappointed when I saw this paper. > I agree with all comments, it is really poor and bad work. We don't know > anything about "the paper" in question. How did they determine the parasite > as E. norvegica?? Also we don't know the authors and they didn't ask for > help for identification or confirmation. I wrote something to the editor of > the journal. If he will response to me, I will share with you. I'm very > sorry as a Turkish scientist studying on polychaetes and I hope it will not > be repeated.> > Best wishes from Turkey!> > G?ley KURT SAHIN> > ********************************************> G?ley KURT SAHIN> Ege University> Faculty of Fisheries> Department of Hydrobiology> Section of Marine Biology> 35100 Bornova Izmir, TURKEY> ********************************************> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Read" > To: "Annelida list" > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:48 PM> Subject: Re: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place> > > > Hi all,> >> > As a postscript I can report I followed Maria Cristina's advice and wrote> > to the editor of the "International Journal of Natural and Engineering> > Sciences", whose contributors nevertheless all appear to be Turkish,> > published by Nobel Publishing, self-described as "one of the largest> > publishers in Turkey", aspiring to "serve mankind by publishing knowledge"> >> > There was no response to my complaint and offer of help with reviewers. If> > this journal wishes to improve its standards to get out of the gutter> > press zone and become of good reputation, it isn't doing too well at the> > moment.> >> > Geoff> >> >>>> On 12/12/2008 at 1:34 a.m., Maria Cristina Gambi > >>>> wrote:> >> Hi Jeff, in my opinion you are right...., and not only because of the > >> "odd> >> place" of this record....> >> I could only suggest to write to the Editor of the Journal....stressing > >> the> >> poor science of this contribution... in such case, I would consider the> >> Editor as responsible as the Authors...who revised this piece of work?> >> surely NO a polychaete specialist of any kind...> >> >> > --> > Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.> > Wellington, NEW ZEALAND> > gread@actrix.gen.nz> >> > _______________________________________________> > Annelida mailing list> > Post: Annelida@net.bio.net> > Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida> > Resources: http://www.annelida.net> ------- End of forwarded message ------- From gread from actrix.gen.nz Mon Dec 29 18:57:17 2008 From: gread from actrix.gen.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Mon Dec 29 19:02:17 2008 Subject: (Fwd) RE: [Annelida] Eunice norvegica in an odd place In-Reply-To: <4958B123.16022.A872CD@localhost> Message-ID: <495A1AAD.5496.EC228F@localhost> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20081230/a575d915/attachment.html